Flarum SEO is worst and i still want to use it 😭
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@Hari no problems. I hear you - totally. I’m not going to turn this into a Flarum bashing exercise, but I landed up with almost the same experience when I raised similar concerns around there not being any suitable GDPR extensions - yet Blomstra is based in Europe, and that’s the same region as to where they are marketing the “commercial” version of Flarum.
I received something of a backlash when I made the point around Flarum not being GDPR ready or compliant. I’m an information technology and security expert by trade and yet some other members suddenly decided they were experts in the subject matter, and decided to refute my claims by posting links to pointless websites that also had very little idea of what an adequate GDPR framework should look like. In fact, the tone of the discussion deteriorated to the point where my views were almost being discredited - in other words, quite toxic, and not something i wanted to be a part of anymore.
Getting back to the SEO side of things, I’ve never considered this to be adequate in Flarum. It’s written and developed by someone with no real fundamental understanding of SEO best practices. If you compare to NodeBB (who absolutely do this properly and it’s part of core) you’ll find you in fact are missing out on traffic when it needn’t be that way. My traffic stats have gone though the roof since moving to NodeBB, and I’m not doing anything differently either.
I used Flarum for two projects - both of which failed in terms of traction. Sudonix (as you know) is based on NodeBB, and there really is no comparison between the two platforms.
Flarum is a gold digger, i mean the whole eco system.
Totally agree, and it’ll only get worse once Blomstra takes hold.
@phenomlab How is SEO for nodebb? (ideally without plugins because maintaining a nodebb install with plugins is hell it seems)
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@phenomlab How is SEO for nodebb? (ideally without plugins because maintaining a nodebb install with plugins is hell it seems)
@qwinter It works 100% effectively. They seem to have nailed the process and I don’t need to use any fancy extensions or plugins to make it work. I just follow best practice.
Here’s a sample of a random website SEO audit. Without any effort, I’m still getting Grade B - based on the fact that all of the content (with the exception of articles I write directly) is member generated and I won’t be amending titles to ensure they fit into 70 characters minimum anytime soon
Grade F for links - again, I’m not bothered, but there are plugins that will take care of this aspect - you could even do it with simple jQuery. Again F for social - I’m not bothered by this at all.
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@qwinter It works 100% effectively. They seem to have nailed the process and I don’t need to use any fancy extensions or plugins to make it work. I just follow best practice.
Here’s a sample of a random website SEO audit. Without any effort, I’m still getting Grade B - based on the fact that all of the content (with the exception of articles I write directly) is member generated and I won’t be amending titles to ensure they fit into 70 characters minimum anytime soon
Grade F for links - again, I’m not bothered, but there are plugins that will take care of this aspect - you could even do it with simple jQuery. Again F for social - I’m not bothered by this at all.
@phenomlab i miss Alexa full site SEO audits. Amazon killed that service
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@phenomlab i miss Alexa full site SEO audits. Amazon killed that service
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Today i have updated to flarum v1.3 and noticed they fixed the meta description issue in the core
<meta name=“description” content=“”>
i am really shocked, did I cry last night for an already fixed bug
@Hari said in Flarum SEO is worst and i still want to use it
:did I cry last night for an already fixed bug
You’ll be doing it again soon when you realize something else is missing and you’ll have to pay for an extension to fix it…
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@Hari said in Flarum SEO is worst and i still want to use it
:did I cry last night for an already fixed bug
You’ll be doing it again soon when you realize something else is missing and you’ll have to pay for an extension to fix it…
@phenomlab true, I just disabled the SEO extension and checked that bug is still there.
so for now, SEO extension is saving me
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@phenomlab true, I just disabled the SEO extension and checked that bug is still there.
so for now, SEO extension is saving me
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@Hari no problems. I hear you - totally. I’m not going to turn this into a Flarum bashing exercise, but I landed up with almost the same experience when I raised similar concerns around there not being any suitable GDPR extensions - yet Blomstra is based in Europe, and that’s the same region as to where they are marketing the “commercial” version of Flarum.
I received something of a backlash when I made the point around Flarum not being GDPR ready or compliant. I’m an information technology and security expert by trade and yet some other members suddenly decided they were experts in the subject matter, and decided to refute my claims by posting links to pointless websites that also had very little idea of what an adequate GDPR framework should look like. In fact, the tone of the discussion deteriorated to the point where my views were almost being discredited - in other words, quite toxic, and not something i wanted to be a part of anymore.
Getting back to the SEO side of things, I’ve never considered this to be adequate in Flarum. It’s written and developed by someone with no real fundamental understanding of SEO best practices. If you compare to NodeBB (who absolutely do this properly and it’s part of core) you’ll find you in fact are missing out on traffic when it needn’t be that way. My traffic stats have gone though the roof since moving to NodeBB, and I’m not doing anything differently either.
I used Flarum for two projects - both of which failed in terms of traction. Sudonix (as you know) is based on NodeBB, and there really is no comparison between the two platforms.
Flarum is a gold digger, i mean the whole eco system.
Totally agree, and it’ll only get worse once Blomstra takes hold.
@phenomlab said in Flarum SEO is worst and i still want to use it
:I received something of a backlash when I made the point around Flarum not being GDPR ready or compliant. I’m an information technology and security expert by trade and yet some other members suddenly decided they were experts in the subject matter, and decided to refute my claims by posting links to pointless websites that also had very little idea of what an adequate GDPR framework should look like. In fact, the tone of the discussion deteriorated to the point where my views were almost being discredited - in other words, quite toxic, and not something i wanted to be a part of anymore.
And it’s clear that my comment above was not without foundation. Flarum released
1.3and still no GDPR support.
The phrase “…on the roadmap…” means absolutely nothing, and it’s one of the core reasons why I departed their ecosystem.
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@phenomlab said in Flarum SEO is worst and i still want to use it
:I received something of a backlash when I made the point around Flarum not being GDPR ready or compliant. I’m an information technology and security expert by trade and yet some other members suddenly decided they were experts in the subject matter, and decided to refute my claims by posting links to pointless websites that also had very little idea of what an adequate GDPR framework should look like. In fact, the tone of the discussion deteriorated to the point where my views were almost being discredited - in other words, quite toxic, and not something i wanted to be a part of anymore.
And it’s clear that my comment above was not without foundation. Flarum released
1.3and still no GDPR support.The phrase “…on the roadmap…” means absolutely nothing, and it’s one of the core reasons why I departed their ecosystem.
@phenomlab read this
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/28602-implement-better-meta-descriptions-for-seo/18Users have to shout to make them understand things! But it still takes years for the things to get materialised.
Our team has decided to stick with flarum irrespective of SEO or other features. Now there is nothing i can do about their decision.
When i bring this topic to them they said " you are the one who suggested us this system and spent almost $400-500 on extensions now don’t ask us to migrate" and they also said “deal with it” then i went speechless
If they want any new features i will send them fancy invoice
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@phenomlab read this
https://discuss.flarum.org/d/28602-implement-better-meta-descriptions-for-seo/18Users have to shout to make them understand things! But it still takes years for the things to get materialised.
Our team has decided to stick with flarum irrespective of SEO or other features. Now there is nothing i can do about their decision.
When i bring this topic to them they said " you are the one who suggested us this system and spent almost $400-500 on extensions now don’t ask us to migrate" and they also said “deal with it” then i went speechless
If they want any new features i will send them fancy invoice
@Hari I think this alone said it all
fixing flarums mistakes using an extension is really unacceptable.
The Flarum Dev team have a somewhat bizarre view of what a core product should look like. Sure, I agree with it being lean to a degree, but any product like this should have the basics at least - with SEO and GDPR compatibility being available out of the box. Any forum product relies heavily on SEO for it be be recognised with content content being added, and if that isn’t done correctly, then you are heading into unchartered waters.
WordPress SEO is basic out of the box, but it’s at least functional to the point where you could actually use or without needing a plugin.
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Lol, check this epic reply by flarum team
Flarum is coded in such a way where it tells spiders not to crawl any internal links by adding nofollow tag. How stupid this is
@sinanislerhttps://discuss.flarum.org/d/30981-set-all-internal-links-to-dofollow
For few minutes i thought i should register a domain called flarumSEOsucks.com
Boycott Flarum
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Lol, check this epic reply by flarum team
Flarum is coded in such a way where it tells spiders not to crawl any internal links by adding nofollow tag. How stupid this is
@sinanislerhttps://discuss.flarum.org/d/30981-set-all-internal-links-to-dofollow
For few minutes i thought i should register a domain called flarumSEOsucks.com
Boycott Flarum
@Hari said in Flarum SEO is worst and i still want to use it
:Flarum is coded in such a way where it tells spiders not to crawl any internal links by adding nofollow tag. How stupid this is
Yes, I agree this doesn’t make any sense. If you compare to WordPress, then (via a plugin of course) you can set the attribute as you wish. It doesn’t make any sense to take a blanket approach. I guess I unerstand why they are doing this, but it’s not an optimum SEO methodology.
@Hari said in Flarum SEO is worst and i still want to use it
:For few minutes i thought i should register a domain called flarumSEOsucks.com
They’d probably sue you for using the Flarum name in a URL
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