AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?
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@phenomlab you know if you or I were to copy their music, we would for sure get sued for a lot of money and to cease and desist. Maybe that is what they need to do for AI and those companies that are running those AIs. Ultimately, those companies have to be feeding their AI some of that data and such in one way or another, so they should be held responsible. Or if they want to use that data, then they should need to pay royalties or something every time that set of data is accessed by someone using their AI.
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@phenomlab you know if you or I were to copy their music, we would for sure get sued for a lot of money and to cease and desist. Maybe that is what they need to do for AI and those companies that are running those AIs. Ultimately, those companies have to be feeding their AI some of that data and such in one way or another, so they should be held responsible. Or if they want to use that data, then they should need to pay royalties or something every time that set of data is accessed by someone using their AI.
@Madchatthew good points. However, I suspect that this data is being crawled anonymously, so in this case, I do wonder how enforceable a cease and desist would be.
Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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@Madchatthew good points. However, I suspect that this data is being crawled anonymously, so in this case, I do wonder how enforceable a cease and desist would be.
@phenomlab that makes sense that it is done anonymously. But wouldn’t the company have to tell the AI to crawl this type of data or that type of data or tell it to crawl all data type of deal? You would think that companies would be able to put that restriction on it for those purposes, but maybe not?
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@phenomlab that makes sense that it is done anonymously. But wouldn’t the company have to tell the AI to crawl this type of data or that type of data or tell it to crawl all data type of deal? You would think that companies would be able to put that restriction on it for those purposes, but maybe not?
@Madchatthew only by placing that data behind a paywall, or behind a session type such as a login.
The real issue here is the plethora of mp3 files available on public ftp servers which can easily be crawled even if the original artist declines to grant permission.
Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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@Madchatthew only by placing that data behind a paywall, or behind a session type such as a login.
The real issue here is the plethora of mp3 files available on public ftp servers which can easily be crawled even if the original artist declines to grant permission.
@phenomlab that makes sense
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@phenomlab that is really interesting. I read an article where they had two AIs communicate with each other and it didn’t take very long and they started making up their own language so they could communicate faster. After a while of AI doing this, those doing the experiment shut it down because they couldn’t keep up and had no clue what the AIs were communicating about. I will have to see if I can find that article.
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@phenomlab that is really interesting. I read an article where they had two AIs communicate with each other and it didn’t take very long and they started making up their own language so they could communicate faster. After a while of AI doing this, those doing the experiment shut it down because they couldn’t keep up and had no clue what the AIs were communicating about. I will have to see if I can find that article.
@Madchatthew it’s this one
see the first post.Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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@Madchatthew it’s this one
see the first post.@phenomlab oh boy, how did I miss that LOL I always say the best place to hide something is right in front of my face
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Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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@phenomlab i don’t trust Google or it’s AI any further than I could throw a building. I know it sounds a little hypocritical of me to say that when I use good search. I always question the results that Google’s AI displays at the top though.
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@phenomlab i don’t trust Google or it’s AI any further than I could throw a building. I know it sounds a little hypocritical of me to say that when I use good search. I always question the results that Google’s AI displays at the top though.
@Madchatthew I think everyone has used Google search without even knowing it to be honest - even those who class themselves as purists.
I too have never trusted Google. You’re not alone!
Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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I’m really intrigued as to how this will play out. I fully support the mother here and admire the fact she is willing to bring tech companies to account.
This will be a landmark case if she wins and will likely pave the way for other families who have also had to suffer.
Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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I’m really intrigued as to how this will play out. I fully support the mother here and admire the fact she is willing to bring tech companies to account.
This will be a landmark case if she wins and will likely pave the way for other families who have also had to suffer.
@phenomlab this is very awesome! They should be held accountable.
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When AI really does make a cyber criminal’s life simpler!
https://thehackernews.com/2025/07/vercels-v0-ai-tool-weaponized-by.html
Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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When AI really does make a cyber criminal’s life simpler!
https://thehackernews.com/2025/07/vercels-v0-ai-tool-weaponized-by.html
@phenomlab that is crazy. It is such a pain already to try and circumvent scammers the way it is and now that is added to make it even easier for them. One really needs to pay attention to what they are clicking on and what site they are on as well.
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@phenomlab that is crazy. It is such a pain already to try and circumvent scammers the way it is and now that is added to make it even easier for them. One really needs to pay attention to what they are clicking on and what site they are on as well.
@Madchatthew Yes, absolutely. Then you also have to consider the serial clickers who regardless of what training you give them decide they are going to do it anyway!
Mark
Founder - Phenomlab LtdExecutive Technology & Security Leadership
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@Madchatthew Yes, absolutely. Then you also have to consider the serial clickers who regardless of what training you give them decide they are going to do it anyway!
@phenomlab oh yeah, serial clickers are the bane of my existence. Even in my current job. I have to stop them and tell them to stop clicking on random stuff and listen to what I am telling them. In a nice way of course, but in my head I am beating their hands with one of those meat tenderizer hammers. So annoying. Some people don’t even just stop to think about what they are doing. It is like oooohhh preettttyyyy a blue link, click, click, click, click and before you know it, it is like how did you even get to this spot.
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@Madchatthew I think everyone has used Google search without even knowing it to be honest - even those who class themselves as purists.
I too have never trusted Google. You’re not alone!
@phenomlab said in AI... A new dawn, or the demise of humanity ?:
I too have never trusted Google. You’re not alone!
100% agree!
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An interesting article on how regulators need to take the lead in AI governance
@phenomlab Thank you for all the information you have given. I also read a lot of other useful information from participants. Thank you very much everyone.
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